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1. Yep they should have had Luke leave with a bang helping to take Snoke out whether it was in Ep 8 or Ep 9. Kylo assisting him despite being a baddie would accept been a proficient way of doing it with Luke dying after they take Snoke out.

2. Would in that location be any style for yous to respect it if they did choose to keep Kylo Ren evil? I'thousand curious. I personally like to say "I probably wouldn't similar 10, simply it depends on how the writers pull information technology off". I think it'southward rather unfair to say "x is automatically bad, no matter the context".

   Also, Luke didn't sacrifice himself for Ben Solo- he sacrificed himself to End Ben Solo. That's a huge difference.

   We already have a story where Luke tried to murder one of his family members, though. Information technology'southward called Return of the Jedi. He flipped out and tried to murder his father, merely coming to his senses at the concluding 2d after beating him inside an inch of his life. Or maybe skill has nothing to do with it? Maybe it was a deliberate choice to focus on last Luke's arc, rather than shoving in Rey when her arc in the film was over?

3. She's the main character. She should be the focus. The fact that including her in the decision of her own movie could exist considered "shoving" her in says a lot. Rian is a talented writer when coming up with his own stuff. He just really seems to struggle with characters that are already there if he doesn't discover them interesting. That is pretty clear by him saying he couldn't have Finn and Poe together considering he thought they were too similar. He was interested in Kylo and Luke and all the other characters suffered for information technology. All he could come up with for Rey was to mope near her parents and attempt to get Luke to train her and then randomly decides through Force intervention that turning Kylo is priority number one. Poe gets hit with the stupid stick, Leia is put in a coma and Finn gets sent on a nonsense mission so he tin take his casino planet. The best parts of TLJ are the Kylo parts and Luke parts, because those are the parts he actually cared about and it shows.

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4. I am not so sure about this. What makes y'all call up that they regret something?

5. Preach!

   I never liked Luke as a character when I was a kid, I thought he was wimpy and weak, and always preferred Han. Only later I started affectionate appreciating him as a grapheme and seeing him as the embodiment of the true hero.
   I never fantasized on the future of the OT grapheme post epVI and honestly never thought they'd dare bring them back. Notwithstanding when I saw the management they decided to go for with the OT I instinctively that information technology felt wrong.

6. Just give it some heart and an actual sense of adventure. TFA and RO at least had me feeling similar I'd gone a quest with the characters. TLJ non so much.

7. Dorsum then a lot of people shared this view as I call up. Han was the alpha male of sorts ever in action scenes just Luke was the one that had to exist pulled into the mix past the forcefulness/Ben/Vader etc. mostly while whining and such about it. Han was a homo to offset with but Luke was more than of a male child

8. Overall, simply brand a fun movie that however has dramatic tension involving our new leads.

   Just, in a more speculative mood, and in terms of what my best case scenario is, across simply a passable film and into a keen finish for the Saga.

   1. Maximize the Finn and Rey dynamic. Boyega and Ridley were accented dynamite. More fo that please, not just in terms of sweet and funny friendship, but in terms of that more dramatic I and serious attribute of their relationship. Honestly, this dynamic matters more than to me than any other dynamic from the ST, and its closest counterpart in Rey and Ren is i that I retrieve should exist pretty dead past this point. I don't need Finn and Rey to be romantic, but I want the kind of closeness that could drive a comparison to romance, if that makes sense. Both characters also need expert stories for them, but I'm not going to tackle that at present, since I'm torn on whether or not I call up a Rey Related Reveal would be the best answer, and Finn needs something at least on par with a Stormtrooper Uprising.
   
   2. Get the audience invested in Kylo Ren as an antagonist and character. We need to see some of the potential from an evil Skywalker in the Emperor'due south position exploited. If Kylo is basically younger, healthier Emperor Vader, than testify u.s.a. how that could exist terrifying. Only since he is our last (confirmed) Skywalker, he needs to be given more mankind than he got in TLJ. Bear witness what made him go bad, have him experience some kind of dynamic arc in the pic, and try something dissimilar from Vader's end, but don't be so stupid equally to only take him killed and leave the Skywalker association in a disappointing situation for the end of the trilogy.
   
   three. Use Forcefulness Ghost Luke wisely. Pretty clear; he's likely to be our only major OT character we could see throughout the moving-picture show without giving me the heebie-jeebies. If you desire him to train Rey, do it well. If he's going to be haunting Kylo, do it well. But don't spiral information technology upward.
   
   4. Give me something I haven't seen earlier in the Wars of Star Wars, just logically consistent as well. I beloved the wait of the hyperspace ram from TLJ, only I hate the fashion it doesn't seem to fit the rules of previous stra battles. Give me stuff like that, only make sure you explain it. And, for the sake of the OT heroes, I kind of experience they should arrive clear that the Democracy still exists politically so the OT heroes tin can still have that as function of their legacy to be fought for. And perchance give u.s.a. something like a boxing where the FO has fewer ships only higher quality weaponry, and so that we come across both sides have to be clever to maximize their advantages.
   
   5. Take the finale be a culmination of the heroism of characters from the PT through to the ST. This is role of the reason I want the Democracy to however be politically; that was a creation of the OT3 as a result of the PT heroes managing to constitute the seeds of something to oppose the Empire. Give u.s. something that will feel like a triumph that Obi-Wan could admire in some manner. Even if you want to set possible stories in the futurity, mayhap do it in a way that won't upset the previous victories. Maybe apply the Unknown Regions as a brand new frontier in which things can happen.

9. I grew up with the OT. Over the last few months dealing with the farthermost thwarting of TLJ, I eventually just came to the realization that the SW that I loved is never coming dorsum. I got my hopes upwardly later on TFA, and defenseless a glimpse of it in R1 but it's just gone.

   I say that with a lot of sadness, considering I really, actually liked Rey and Finn in TFA, and wanted to run into where that was going.

10. Overall, yes, but that doesn't mean there can't exist other significant characters likewise. Overall, the sage has quite a few major characters, and Luke is objectively one of the biggest. Having the focus always exist on Rey is rather narrow-minded. The focus was not always on Luke or on Anakin. Bottomline, it isn't just Rey'southward story. Information technology belongs to multiple characters. Rey fits quite snugly into the terminal scene and her actions fit her arc. Ballooning her role in the final battle out of some misguided need to follow storytelling tropes would have diluted that, not improved it. You're wrong near two things here. First off, this is non what Rey'south story is about. Rey'southward arc is most identity. She's looking for a person to make her a "somebody" instead of a "nobody"; to give meaning to her life- first her parents, then Luke, so Kylo Ren. She somewhen realizes, during the throne room scene with Kylo Ren, that she has to be the i to create purpose and meaning her life- not take it given to her by outsiders.

    Second, Rey's arc, whether y'all like it or not (and it'south fine if you don't!), was not an reconsideration as you lot make information technology out to be. Rian Johnson talks most on the Commentary track how Rey'due south arc was one of the commencement things he started with in the writing process.

    Except, he actually doesn't. Johnson expanded on Poe's preestablished "military maverick" characterization, giving it more depth (something Poe badly needed- I beloved me some Poe, but he was a flat character in TFA) by exploring the realistic consequences of such a reckless attitude and by having him outgrow it somewhat during the picture. Poe'southward not any dumber than he was in TFA, it's just that his risky behavior doesn't pay off this time.

    Statements like this honestly experience less like objective criticism and more than like a deliberate mistranslation of what'due south shown on screen.

    Information technology's never been gone, though. You can still go dorsum and watch the OT any time you want.

11. Earlier I start doing the annoying poin-for-point debate thing hither, permit's get in articulate that I'thou going to be voicing subjective opinions, not facts. As a critic of TLJ, I would agree that other pregnant characters need time on center stage as well, but that Rey (and incidentally Finn also) needs plenty focus to still experience similar the primal protagonists of the story; Anakin and Luke, while non omnipresent in every scene of the previous 2 trilogies, were the ones the audition was asked to focus on, with their character arcs often matching the narrative arc of the overall picture show. Han, Leia, Obi-Wan, etc, all these characters were protagonists too, but ultimately Luke and Anakin were the ones with the most dynamic and complex arcs. And as a TFA fan, I experience that TLJ "demoted" our two heroic protagonists from TFA, contorting Rey inorganically around Kylo Ren and declining to truly make her association with Luke be an equal graphic symbol partnership. Luke *does* deserve a major function in TLJ. BUT! Arguably his narrative purpose in this, the Sequel Trilogy, is to be a supporting grapheme for Rey, and instead his personal character arc supplants Rey's in the film'southward last quarter, with the film's emotional climax matched to his own while Rey is effectively off on the side going through the motions.

    If the ST is supposed to be the story of the new heroes at the center while the onetime ones propel them forward, then the approach taken past Rian Jihnson undercut that goal, particularly when he edited out the caretaker scene, one of the few sequences he filmed that actually elevated the Rey and Luke association.

    Once again, strictly subjective opinion hither, but I'd disagree that Rey'south arc is about her searching for an identity, and instead information technology's more virtually the meta-textual symbol that Johnson sees her every bit, with a side of serving an sick-plumbing fixtures role as Kylo's defacto supporter in a more heroic part.

    Rey already *had* an identity in TFA as a tough, independently minded scavenger with a good heart, great potential, and a flaw, not of hoping her parents were someone important, but instead of obsessively hoping they'd return for her, a flaw she overcame at the end of TFA when events forced her to face up the reality of her parents not returning, the fulfillment of that emotional need by Finn coming back for her instead, and a new identify in the Milky way as a future Jedi. She'due south already entered a brave new earth and grown and inverse significantly.

    In TLJ, Johnson underwrites and changes her character, making her seem more than emotionally dependent and shifting her obsession to a want for significant parentage. Her relationship with Finn (and Han) is downplayed so that the logical emotional fallout of TFA won't significantly impeded Johnson'southward desire for her to be open to Kylo Ren, a state of affairs that requires far more work than Johnson put into the final script. She is all of a sudden at a loss for her place in the universe and thinks that Kylo or Luke need to requite her a purpose, when again the catastrophe of TFA gave her the answer she has at the end of TLJ: go a Jedi. Her parental obsession emerges in its new grade not because it would really be so hugely important to the girl at the end of TFA, only instead because Johnson believes people need to see a new, Non-Skywalker Jedi hero who could rise from anonymity.

    If the story was really about her struggling for a new identity, than we would have had the reveal about her parents beingness no one done earlier, so that the rest of the motion-picture show could bear witness her building her new identity. Instead, even Johnson undercuts the emotional weight his message is supposed to accept by having Rey go correct back to be a smile and daring adventure without even a hint of disharmonize or struggle. He planned her arc early, yes, but he planned it every bit an outsider looking in towards the messag, non as an bodily extrapolation of her character and personality.

    Poe doesn't really accept a "war machine maverick" characterization from TFA, at least in part considering in TFA he was strictly a supporting graphic symbol who could take been killed off. He's a competent, respectful, and all-around officeholder on Leia'southward command staff, contributing intelligently to Resistance command's strategizing and being trusted to human action as both Leia's personal courier/spy and equally the field leader of the assault on SKB. This doesn't prevent a military maverick presentation, as seen in TLJ, but it doesn't make it the most natural route for the grapheme either. Johnson deliberately made the graphic symbol become one so he could try to subvert and examine the classic and apply it to aggrandize on Poe'south character, which is an admirable idea.

    Just this is where the general criticisms of the entire Space Hunt storyline come in to ruin the intended story for critics of TLJ. The intial battle, Poe's insubordination, and his successive demotion all makes sense. Merely when Admiral Holdo makes inconsistent and apparently contradictory command decisions (using a disciplinarian's idea process to refuse a briefing to the demoted Poe, just allowing him to claiming her and besmirch a commanding officeholder'south loyalty on the bridge) all to maintain suspense and mystery then that Poe can be proven wrong with a plan that simply doesn't accept the logical strength and security the narrative requires of it.

    And all this so a backup grapheme can have more significance to the story's plot than a leading protagonist (Finn) in a storyline that accidentally ends up being summarized as "all the POC characters don't listen to the white adult female and go ninety% of the Resistance killed."

    Right, but if nosotros're talking almost how someone who's soured on the ST needing to be motivated to go dorsum into the game for 9, it's a valid consequence to feel that the ST thus far is predicated on undercutting and belittling the ending of the OT. TFA set up the phase for such a move, TLJ doubled down on it hard, and unless Ix quietly decides to retcon the Republic back into political existance so that the victory in ROTJ has some cross-trilogy staying power, we're going to has a ST that insists that the Boxing of Endor and everything the heroes sacrificed to win it ultimately meant very picayune in the k scheme of things.

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12. Ewoks! That'southward one OT nostalgia card no ane seems to want to play, but if Abrams pulls an Ewok fest I will personally declare IX the greatest SW of the modern era.

13. That'south not an identity, that's listing off facts most a person. An identity is more that. It'southward the sense of "What is my identify in the universe? What's the indicate of my life? Is there a point at all?". I mean, yeah. She spent the starting time decade and a half or so of her life defining her identity effectually her parents. Waiting for her parents to return was what gave her life meaning and purpose. Now, she'southward not waiting anymore. She needs observe a new purpose. This is logical emotional fallout. Poe in TFA is established every bit a supremely talented, cocky, hazard-taking flyboy. In other words, a military maverick. Presumably, beingness the one to destroy Starkiller Base only fed his already significant ego. This is factually incorrect. Holdo removes Poe from the bridge after he challenge'south her loyalty. She doesn't tolerate it, equally you lot claim.

    Information technology's honestly very tiring to accept these signal-by-point discussions in the first place, but ignoring facts, or deliberately twisting what is presented on screen, makes it more so.

14. I don't think either of usa is ignoring facts or deliberately twisting what is presented; rather, our interpretations of the events in the moving picture are coming from such vastly different areas that we employ the same building blocks with entirely different evaluation priorities. To me, Holdo not having Poe thrown in the brig and deprived of all communication apparatuses upon him challenging her, and trying to talk him down previously with an empty koan about promise being best when you lot don't know about it, is allowing him to challenge her dominance.

    Information technology's an interpretation.

    Similar how I regarded Poe every bit simply an ace airplane pilot, not necessarily a maverick. To make it articulate, I view Poe in TFA as being a character who could either be a Han or a Wedge, a Maverick or an Iceman. (Though once again, here I recognize that RJ had the right to introduce that chemical element into the film; my statement is again that he failed to consistently write a sharp enough storyline for deconstructing that.)

    Or how I firmly believe that Rey has an identity in TFA, and that TLJ creates a need for one out of a wide reading of her character that neglects nuance. To me, she knows her new purpose in life at the cease of TFA: become a Jedi to protect her friends and the helpless, an extrapolation formed by interpreting her altruism towards BB8, recognition of how evil the First Society is, and her violent protection of Finn from Kylo Ren every bit leading to her using the Strength and seeking out Luke. And since I translate the plotline in TLJ to largely be redundant obfuscation of the goal only to end at the aforementioned endpoint, well, I disregard it's value-- to me, personally, and to people who share a similar frustration with the moving-picture show. It in no manner represents how you, or anyone who likes the film or hasn't seen information technology yet, will translate the moving-picture show.

    But to me, it's a justified opinion.

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15. I want a partial remake of viii. Allow me explain. 9 would start with flashback scenes from 8, ending in Luke's expiry. Then the camera would pan out of Luke'southward eye. TLJ was a force vision he had when touching his old lightsaber once more. He's continuing on the cliff with Rey again. At this betoken he raises his 10-Wing and takes the fight to the FO. He would join the first boxing with the Dreadnought, except this time information technology would exist a complete victory. The bombers would survive and take out Hux's ship and the tracking device. Then the resistance escapes into hyperspace.

    A 5 yr time jump. At present basically episode 9 would begin. Except Luke, Snoke, and Phasma are alive. Beginning scene, Leia'due south funeral. The milky way is now split in 2 by the FO and as powerful New Republic. Massive war taking place. All resolved at the end.

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16. The bad publicity likely leading 9 to non do well-nigh as adept equally they figured it would. I recall it ties into them slowing things downwards also on other movies. If Ep 8 didnt generate the talk it did Solo probably does better also.

17. Fix Luke Skywalker. That'southward it. That's all I want. I don't know if yous bring him back. I don't know if you brand him an awesome Force Ghost. But they HAVE to practise something. This is what all of the TLJ detest stems from, the ruining of Luke Skywalker. I don't know how they ready it, but they have to. If they don't, many fans volition never return.

    Would it exist dainty to have Rey actually earn her powers? Certain. Would it be cool for Finn and Poe to have storylines that people really care nearly? Yes. Would the audience like to see Kylo every bit a real villain instead of a whiny child that has somehow found himself in power? Admittedly... But that stuff doesn't brand or break these films. Luke Skywalker does. He is Star Wars.

18. I can't go this idea of how I'd redirect the franchise out of my caput, turning the current weaknesses into strengths, getting things back on track to where they actually should have been afterward Return of the Jedi, and introducing a whole new dynamic.

    I ended upwards writing it out but to vent it since it'due south hard for me to imagine how annihilation would work better than this, even opening up the direction for a whole bunch of new movies and spin-offs with a huge new cast, while 'fixing' so many issues which people have with the current movies, on so many fronts.

    The X-Men franchise was bold enough to do direct up time-travel to fix a less-terrible situation, and reset their entire universe.

    What if the ST milky way wasn't the real Star Wars galaxy we were watching, it was a galaxy where the force wasn't brought into balance by the prophecized ane Anakin Skywalker, likely after Luke killed Vader. Information technology's a prelude to a much bigger story...

    Things proceed to go bad in that location, and the protagonists escape into the 'real' Star Wars milky way, which is actually quite different (fifty-fifty visually, looking more like Rogue Ane). Luke Skywalker actually does have his Jedi Academy (some mishmash of Legends stuff, with Mara Jade every bit his wife, etc), there's a successful galaxy without a resurgent Empire and so on, considering the prophecy of balance to the strength was fulfilled there and the original characters are successful and what you'd want to see post-obit the OT. The sequel trilogy could all brand so much sense in the end despite all the electric current apparent flaws, and go somewhere completely new and heady.

    They too bring the war with them which opens up the dynamic of galaxy vs galaxy on dissimilar paths, still rather than using 'even stranger' aliens from far away equally galactic invaders, they utilize alternative timelines and events and beliefs, Skywalker cousin on cousin from different timelines and with unlike forcefulness systems and tech, let the franchise step into a brand new type of conflict and then that information technology doesn't feel like retreading the same galactic-state of war and jedi vs sith stuff (taking cues from the Riftwar books' tense inter-world wars, and also the Serpentwar'southward theme of a secretly-budgeted enemy which the government is trying to secretly prepare for war with, knowing information technology will wreak havoc. Besides the Sanderson Cosmere universe with different magic systems on different fantasy planets hurtling towards disharmonize).

    So many things which were 'off' a footling or a lot can be used every bit bodily plot points about how the ST galaxy is the failed version - from the past protagonists being made failures who were driven into the mud and had all their accomplishments undone, where Luke Skywalker is an credible family-killer who considered it with his nephew (since he killed Vader at that place, and Vader did not bring rest to the force), and who failed to rebuild the Jedi and lost half his students, where Vader's strength ghost is apparently communicating with Kylo Ren for vengeance (since he was killed by Luke there), where the forcefulness seems to be behaving unlike its past self in Rey (it's reawakened and is trying to play out the Luke Skywalker destiny once more, often scene for scene, just it will fail, and things get stranger and stranger with the strength in that milky way now that it is unbalanced and condign corrupted), where even things like lightspeed being used every bit a weapon despite making no sense retroactively, where the Jedi were apparently awful, where Yoda was somehow an insane madman who burns down trees while shrieking instead of that being an initial act he put on to exam Luke.

    Episode 9

    Rey and Finn lose, badly, probably later attempting to attack the Star Forge which is where Ren's impossible armada is coming from (early Jabba's-equivalent adventure where they discover the location by pretending to be captured by the about obnoxious commander the enemy has, then the armada has to leap immediately). They spot the starforge, wonder what it does, encounter it building a ship quite chop-chop, and realize this may exist a mistake. A fleet jumps in on all sides, the resistance is shredded in an instant. The falcon is blown right open up. They barely escape and land before it truly cracks into pieces. Poe is raving about lighting the spark again, Rey and Finn substitution a expect and tell him that they have to leave now, that it's over. He doesn't go it, they leave him ranting, and are seen maybe pawning off R2's leg. They effort farming for a bit as this galaxy continues to fall into darkness, trying to ignore it and tell themselves they've tried plenty. They discover out force sensitives similar broom boy are beingness rounded up for Kylo'southward new special strength, and barely avoid a recruiting Knight of Ren themselves. Kylo is probably going the populist route challenge to have killed Snoke to save the galaxy, and the people become increasingly ugly as the milky way slides into willing fascism, challenge the rebels were never meliorate rulers (an old Rebel may not be able to believe that it came to this).

    Somewhen they lead a small band of refugees through a strength portal into another milky way, the real Star Wars galaxy. Kylo Ren is hot on their heels (in the World Between Worlds from SW Rebels). At the other end, when they cut open a portal with a lightsaber to escape, the refuges are momentarily confronted by a Jedi, but when he sees Kylo Ren chasing them, he lets the refuges through and calls his female parent and brother proverb he's found the aberration, and in that location's some kind of... sith lord, like from before they were wiped out.

    He and his blood brother confront down Kylo. Cut to Hux trying to cut something from Snoke'due south preserved corpse which he'southward been working towards all picture, saying it's the middle of the Emperor/darkness, which gave this random politician Snoke/this clone of the old Emperor and so much power. Except information technology's not there. Cut dorsum to Kylo, he has it. He wields it, beats down these two confident Jedi. He's nonetheless advancing. The female parent (Mara Jada I approximate, who I totally encounter being played by Lena Headey) tells the boys she wants them to be able to stand on their ain somewhen, simply until then - She beats back Kylo in a flash with a huge skill disparity before he can react with all his ability, cutting his mitt off with the heart. He yanks it through with him into the portal, and seems to exist getting it airtight from that side with his attendants, only Mara Jade is ****ing unstoppable and murders them with the strength and shooting the plasma from her saber through another, a sort of inversion of the Rogue One Vader hallway scene, and there's reason to genuinely feel scared for Kylo as he realizes that they actually can't stop her and she's coming right for him there on the footing without his hand. Except broom boy yanks the clamps holding the portal open using the forcefulness. He'south one of Kylo'southward gathered upwardly new warriors he's been collecting throughout the movie, promising power. Broom boy smiles all Ollie-like to Kylo, that's the concluding we see of them for now as the portal closes.

    The gang goes to the temple which was the jedi university in the books / games / etc, Luke is there probably playing with his grandkids, Rey is speechless, Luke realizes that he knows her on the other side, she corrects 'knew'. A round-table quango give-and-take ensues, they discuss how the strength is dying in the other galaxy, the galaxy has to prepare for assail from without. (Rey was perchance led to this globe by a vision of coming together Luke there in the temple, yet at commencement simply institute ruins and a ghost of Luke fading away, who mentions how he killed Vader and fabricated it all go wrong, how he's looked into other galaxies and sees that this was his error here). If they can get Harrison back for a scene, he's a successful concern man here, not some un-advancing rogue, who runs a sort of Varris-like spy network, and Finn is paired up with him for a programme to infiltrate the other galaxy with spies and ready, not to mention possibly do a little business on the side. They mention contacting the Supreme Chancellor, Luke winces and says Leia has given him strict instructions to never continue a hugger-mugger from her again, merely her term is almost upwardly so maybe he can delay information technology and delay panic.

    There's some exposition about how Luke senses that Rey has some other force, how it's very curious, and that information technology's clearly not the aforementioned, and notwithstanding he tin feel his destiny played out in her equally this dying force attempted to save itself. There's some scepticism and hostility towards Rey for being something so exterior of the Jedi'southward ability. One of the younger guys wants to crusade, another says they're not 'their people' and they should have null to do with them, at that place's a chip of fence nearly whether to help refugees etc, whether that young guy would want a stranger to non aid if he was in trouble, etc.

    Final scene is Luke leading Rey to a trivial private nook with two burning candles, he summons his father, the force ghost of Anakin appears. Luke asks him if he's seen. He says no, and then closes his optics, and then says Yep. He is outside of fourth dimension. He sees danger coming for the galaxy. He'due south curious virtually the daughter, he's half bullheaded to her. Luke agrees. They volition have to gear up. Final shot is the main protagonists of all three trilogies standing together, to wrap up the third trilogy.

    --

    Travelling to the 'existent' milky way gives the chance to introduce a huge cast of new faces, to face up down Kylo'due south new aberration team in a few years. Go full anime of varied super warriors for a crazy matchup coming down the route. The new Jedi Gild is full of weird personalities. Information technology's not but a clone of the prequel society. They habiliment dark blueish navy uniforms somewhat like Luke's outfit in Return of the Jedi, buttoned up the side. They're much more proactive. They have a bunch of hobbies from history to finance to politics to cooking to music, which can be used as a basis in a bunch of interesting standalone stories. There's not but Jedi characters introduced either, there's competent admirals etc who volition play a function.

    I'thousand picturing Luke having an adult daughter, somewhat of a cheery and strange academic who is a flake dissimilar from the rest. A redhead since I think Mara Jade was, perhaps somebody like Bryce Dallas Howard in historic period and appearance, except she'south blind for reasons nosotros don't find out, and her fringe is over her eyes to highlight that she's kind of a blind monk (basically taking my blind Jedi concept from the Old Republic games and replacing the mask with hair since she's not of that race). Something like Soress Skywalker (the game'due south randomly generated name from years ago, which I think sounds awesome). She's a bit of an oddity in the new order, wearing some white outfit with a greatcoat or something rather than the usual navy military uniform, being Luke's kid is a strange place to be, but they're conspicuously close. R2 and her travel around as a pair now.

    Episode x

    Luke's daughter recruits Rey for reasons unknown. Finn has a mission but he can't tell Rey what information technology is. Finn and a squad go through a portal opened by focusing Jedi back to the fallen galaxy. It's fifty-fifty worse there now. They have to motility cloak-and-dagger equally a small-scale aristocracy squad with a dangerous mission.

    Soress takes Rey somewhere, peradventure the Starforge of their galaxy. She explains that it'south what gives Ren his impossible armada, and if they could apply the i on this side, they could match him, just information technology's powered by the darkside, information technology would drive them insane. Still Rey is an aberration of her forcefulness as it attempted to save itself, she merely has the light within her, she's compelled to race towards darkness merely information technology has no affect on her. She can mayhap purify the Star Forge. Rey confirms so the jedi tin't? Soress chuckles and says no, she would plow mad and probably try to slaughter her whole family. She'due south kind of questionable at times.

    Somewhen Ren senses them on the other side from his starforge, he manages to breakthrough and assault. Soress leads some of his warriors in a hunt around the facility, she uses the force to blow out lights so attack them in the nighttime, or lead them towards a hatch she's opened in the flooring in the night and then that they autumn downward pits while charging at her, etc. When it comes to Ren withal she begins to conspicuously struggle. She's leaping off walls while grunting, her tricks to darken rooms don't piece of work when he just uses the heart of darkness to bathroom them in red, etc. Eventually he cuts her downwardly. Rey beats him dorsum into his galaxy, she has motorcar-rest strength equally a broken characteristic from their alt galaxy's dying force. Luke arrives, Soress is dying, she apologizes for losing her eyes and says she could have won with them, what nosotros idea was her forcefulness nosotros at present see is something she's securely ashamed of. She dies even as a medic is repairing the wound, they cannot revive her. Luke is property her mitt, says he thought he might become one with the force and alive forever. Instead he asks Rey to facilitate something and transfers his life forcefulness to his daughter, resurrecting her. When she comes back she finds Luke expressionless and can only sob over him.

    Cut to funeral pyre, Soress is lighting it. She is very downward, and promises her begetter that she'll continue the Jedi mission and protect the innocent. Nosotros hear him whisper to her that he knows y'all will Soress. She is the merely person who tin hear him and it isn't frequent, there doesn't demand to exist decades of bad-mannered questions of why Luke's forcefulness ghost isn't appearing all the time. Backside her, every bit the funeral winds down, Rey begins animatedly talking about how they should pb the charge into the other galaxy, that waiting here is no adept, that Ren will come for them.

    In that location'due south some debate. Soress turns around, and says she agrees. There will be a crusade, surprising Rey. Rey will have to become, as she'south the only one who can match Kylo, due to the broken strength in that location, and they will railroad train her. Rey asks when. They shuffle for a moment, then say it's already underway. They couldn't tell her since they thought maybe she was continued to Ren and he would know, but it seems not after the current events since she didn't feel Ren coming. They just needed their agent in the proper position. Cut to Finn in the other galaxy, he is placing the last piece of the corners of a giant floating ring on a bland stone earth (or perhaps ameliorate yet, using his claret or the blood of one of Kylo's force warriors, as it needs the forcefulness from this side, maybe a captured Broom Boy). The portal opens, an enormous fleet begins coming through (maybe a practiced time to use Dual of the Fates), the invasion has begun.

    Episode 11+

    There'south an isolated armada alone in enemy territory, tasked with some terrible goal, perhaps staying hidden and reaching some destination which they know exists from their own universe, something from before the departure. It could even spin off a Boob tube series about this fleet, a very battlestar-like situation. It has to be fully self-sufficient and deal with terrible odds.

    The new Saga focuses on the the inter-galactic war.

    Somewhen the fight has to come to the master galaxy, peradventure their commencement cause fails, or manages to weaken the target they wanted - the star forge - but at present they have to deal with the onslaught of a terribly-well-equipped enemy, only able to await for Ren to come up to them and suspension on their defenses over and over, and they wait to lose ground.

    Eventually at that place can be other galaxies fatigued in through the earth-betwixt-worlds. Perhaps things very unlike, like a strict Imperium with 'anti-magic' inquisitors, who can 'negate magic' which greatly weakens Jedi, and offers a new danger. (perhaps they arrive during the other conflict and take Ren into custody, so now there'south the danger of him working on them from within while he's been taken out of their reach, and the galaxy must now deal with this enemy)

    Establish that there'southward a bunch of these alt-universes (maybe establish a hard number, like the vii connected galaxies, or just get out it uncapped). There's no sort of auto-balance of light or dark or anything betwixt them, character bureau matters, nobody'due south actions are proven pointless by somehow causing badness elsewhere.

    Rogue One I see as being set in the main Star Wars universe, the visual mode is very similar. Bright grays and clear panning shots in infinite.

    The sequel universe I see as having its own visual style which should be kept to differentiate information technology, lots of vivid glows, reflections, and deep blackness.

    The drawing / Ahsoka'due south universe may be another of these alt-universes. That universe can become uncapped by the movies and tell its own stories which could get anywhere, and serve as the ground for ideas in the movies, the echoes of those things across universes. Currently Ezra Bridger and Kanan felt also much similar they devalued Luke'south story, and how could Ahsoka be there during all that? Well - turns out this was another universe, non the film universe, and things can go wilder in that location than you'd expect. She was perhaps there at the battle of endor and helped cast downwardly the Emperor in her version, which would make for an awesome animated moving-picture show.

    Even the games such equally The Old Republic tin can tell a story of beingness invaded by an alt-universe of themselves, being atomic number 82 by the evil Empress Satele Shan or something, perchance with alt-versions of the player characters.

    Oh, and when the refugees were get-go fleeing through the earth betwixt worlds, Chewie raced off to effort to detect his people as he was the last Wookie in the fallen galaxy. He jumped through a portal which led to the battlefield of the Solo movie. That's another alt universe which is now unbound and can go anywhere. That was the fallen-milky way Chewie rather than the real Chewie, who found a rather different Han, who he might be able to guide towards an earlier victory in that universe. Things similar a living Darth Maul and an honestly fairly different Han are further examples of it beingness an alt-universe in this continued series of universes, which can go anywhere still.

    Every bit for Rose Tico? Perhaps she and her sister were Sabine Wren's daughters and traveled the Globe Between Worlds. She believed Finn to be important for some prophecy to salvage this galaxy, or based on something which happened in another, hence all her odd actions. She perhaps wants him to... figure out the Star Forge location for himself (hence ranting virtually weapons dealers, to go him to focus on the problem of how this small-scale set up of people can't supply the entire showtime society), since he did in another galaxy and she thinks information technology saved that one, but it doesn't work out that way this time, or something. IDK. She's super difficult to make expert retroactively.

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19. At this point for me they tin practice nothing short of bring Luke back. I practice not care how they exercise it or what they have to practise in order to make it legit. I just want to see Luke exercise something special and I don't hateful some cheap look and fade flim-flam similar in TLJ. I also want Po to exist Po again and not some incompetent besprinkle brain as he was painted in TLJ. I demand a direct upwards low-cal saber dual with all the bells and whistles of a prequel trilogy dual. That'due south but for starters...

20. -Either bring Luke back to life, or give him some cool FG powers ala Yoda's lightning. Too accept him really act similar Luke, really TEACH Rey something, and actually contribute meaningfully to the victory.
    -Give Finn some actual accomplishments/let him be a proficient leader. And no more slapstick comedy with him either.
    -Let Leia die/retire in peace. More than of a Yoda death and less of a Han, Luke, Ackbar, etc ane.
    -Actually give a good reason for why Rey is and so immediately powerful and make her less invincible.
    -Poe every bit a expert leader.
    -Really EXPLAIN PROPERLY to context for Kylo'south plough, who the KOR are, and who the heck Snoke was and what he wanted.
    -Recontextualize Luke being on that island to begin with.
    -Bring back Lando (it's ridiculous that in a trilogy where one of his oldest friends, Han Solo, is MURDERED and his other friends are desperate for allies, that he hasn't even been mentioned/referenced yet, allow alone appeared).
    -Bring back FG Obi Wan and Anakin (it'south ridiculous that they haven't stepped in nonetheless given the state of affairs).
    -Make Kylo and Hux await really COMPETENT this time around, and finally practise something with the KOR.
    -Kylo was lying about Rey'due south parents, and they actually matter to the story.
    -Give Rey her own actual story, as opposed to her existence a prop in other's story.
    -Finn being an ex-Stormtrooper actually matters and plays a role in events.
    -Han's death actually matters and isn't simply brushed over speedily.
    -Give the Resistance/Rebellion/Any a large victory to properly establish them as leads going forward).
    -More Rey/Finn/Poe onscreen interactions (because we haven't gotten the fun Han/Luke/Leia or fifty-fifty Anakin/Padme/Obi Wan interactions betwixt our new heroes nevertheless).
    -Kylo facing actually consequences for his actions and Rey albeit her mistakes/facing consequences for them in TLJ
    -Etc.

    That'd exist a decent start at least.

21. I wouldn't say that I am jaded. Disappointed is closer to what I feel, I think.

    I would dearest to see more Finn. What potential! Information technology only makes yous wonder what else he could accomplish. The possibilities are endless.

    Force ghost Luke, Obi Wan and Yoda would pack a wallop for me, but adding Anakin would be pretty darned interesting, I think, especially if Kylo goes downward the path of redemption.

22. If more people could internalize this attitude, they might be able to enjoy the new movies (I apply that verb "enjoy" advisedly) or simply movement on.

    Information technology'southward not 1980 whatsoever more.

23. Yeah, this "statement" deserves an ignominious burying. It's embarrassing that people apparently walk around thinking it makes sense.

    Darth Vader and Kylo Ren are different characters. One is a dangerous monster responsible for the deaths of millions, if not billions, if not trillions. Another is a unconversant youth who maybe -- maybe -- has felt some stirrings of interest in the Nighttime side. Peradventure.

    Return of the Jedi and The Last Jedi are different movies. In one, Darth Vader openly threatens the most important person in Luke's similar with a fate worse than death. In the other, Kylo Ren is sleeping.

24. There'southward nothing EpIX could do to make upwards for what I consider the missed opportunities of the ST, but at the end of the day, I'm fine with appreciating the trilogy for what information technology is.

    I only went back and watched Episodes I-III with sound commentaries, which instantly brought me back to the feeling I used to get from GL'southward complete saga earlier EpVII was announced; that warm and fuzzy, fulfilled sensation. I dear that feeling so much and I'chiliad glad that information technology's still there.
    No thing what happens in the hereafter, the original Star Wars Saga will e'er be at that place for me to lose myself in. Information technology'due south a consummate work of art that exists independently of what follows it - considering the ST is actually its own thing. It's not office of the overarching narrative of the starting time two trilogies and it takes on a decidedly different artistic identity. There are similarities to what GL did with his movies, simply the overall experience, the tone, the soul if you volition, is very different.

    This makes it piece of cake for me to carve up the two and, again, just capeesh them for what they are.

25. Could accept had a Luke and Snoke Battle go down in viii with Snoke even so getting destroyed making Kylo the emperor at the finish anyways.

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